Oyvind Fiksdal

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    Oyvind Fiksdal
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    Yes, another excellent example of what this camera can do, in the right hands. In the right hands as, I believe it would be hard to tell the difference between many cameras on the same set and same crew. When you start molding the scene with controlled light like this, movement of the camera, framing, you also hide the differences between cameras. I don’t think anyone could have told which camera this was shot on in a blind test contest. Vert inspiring and a good lecture for great setup.

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    Oyvind Fiksdal
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    Thanks 🙂

    Alan Smithee ??

    JB

    With that name… maybe he was ironic 😊

    Oyvind Fiksdal
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    HDMI = Tall shoulders and sweating.

    Oyvind Fiksdal
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    No one does a 5 year warranty.

    Arri do a 1 year warranty.

    For about 10% of the purchase price you can buy an extra year.

    https://www.abelcine.com/buy/cameras-accessories/camera-peripherals/arri-extended-warranty-for-alexa-mini-1-year

    And they charge you to buy licences to unlock features your camera already has.

    BMD have consistently added features at no cost. They have never ever charged for a version upgrade on DaVinci since V8 either. No subscriptions.

    JB

    I don’t know how it is in other countries, but in Norway we have something called 5-year claim right. This is not a warranty that inflict the company who made the item, like black magic, but any Norwegian seller bound by Norwegian law.

    The 5-year claim right includes repair cost, new item and/or payback up to 100% if the item deviate from expected quality or usability. It’s like an extended warranty in many ways and its quite strong for any buyer. The buyer also has the possible to use free consumer council, lawyers, that can drive the case against the seller if it becomes a problem.

    An example. If I buy a URSA12k from a Norwegian vendor and it breaks down unexpectable 4 years later, maybe sensor problem, I can try to use this claim. Some items only have 2-year claim, but that is mainly because of presumed short life expectancy.

    As for my reply to John above does that apply to business to business contracts or just consumer contracts? Most European legislation only offers those extended rights to consumer contracts and so wouldn’t apply to anyone buying the camera for their work.

    Yes, it’s a bit more complicated if you look deeper into it. It’s something between what’s going on in Australia and consumer-Norway. In Norway you have 2 years claim for business bought equipment, BUT it depends also on the severity of the problem. If it’s obvious, then you can claim later. Problem is, that some companies deal you out of the claim rights. That’s actually legal as long as you accept the deal. That could mean in benefits of discounts or something else.

    Oyvind Fiksdal
    Participant

    No one does a 5 year warranty.

    Arri do a 1 year warranty.

    For about 10% of the purchase price you can buy an extra year.

    https://www.abelcine.com/buy/cameras-accessories/camera-peripherals/arri-extended-warranty-for-alexa-mini-1-year

    And they charge you to buy licences to unlock features your camera already has.

    BMD have consistently added features at no cost. They have never ever charged for a version upgrade on DaVinci since V8 either. No subscriptions.

    JB

    I don’t know how it is in other countries, but in Norway we have something called 5-year claim right. This is not a warranty that inflict the company who made the item, like black magic, but any Norwegian seller bound by Norwegian law.

    The 5-year claim right includes repair cost, new item and/or payback up to 100% if the item deviate from expected quality or usability. It’s like an extended warranty in many ways and its quite strong for any buyer. The buyer also has the possible to use free consumer council, lawyers, that can drive the case against the seller if it becomes a problem.

    An example. If I buy a URSA12k from a Norwegian vendor and it breaks down unexpectable 4 years later, maybe sensor problem, I can try to use this claim. Some items only have 2-year claim, but that is mainly because of presumed short life expectancy.

    Oyvind Fiksdal
    Participant

    Yes all true. But I’m talking about detail/texture. Use of different lenses is obviously necessary if anyone want to do such test. It will not be a holy scientific test, but an interesting one.

    Oyvind Fiksdal
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    You have Arri, which believe in the idea of (better pixels) not necessarily more. Probably inherited from when we saw 35mm movies projected from celluloid that didn’t deliver more than Max 800-1000 lines of detail information, still magical. Most down around 600-700 lines actually. The smoothness was magical for many years, even after digital starwars that was supposed to change the whole industry over the night with its 1000+ lines IQ.

    The 70mm celluloid (IMAX) is claimed to be as high as 16k of information by Nolan himself after Dunkirk. But 70mm-film is a niche product in modern time, not used by many. It that case. It would be interesting to do a comparison:

    70mm IMAX vs URSA-12K vs ALEXA 65mm… “Brut film K’s” vs “Modern sharp K’s” vs “K’s don’t matter that much” That would put Nolan’s statement to the test and show us if these 12K’s matter at all.

    Oyvind Fiksdal
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    I would love to have a 6k full frame BMD camera with internal ND and lightweight
    ……

    If they are trying to stick with s35. Maybe a sensor size that’s bigger than standard s35. And definitely have more DR and just be a lot lighter and compact compared to the current UMP.

    What I hear time and time again from BMD.

    FF sensors are expensive.
    The yield is also very difficult. It means they throw away more sensors than those that pass QC. Making the cost even more expensive.

    I’m pretty sure I saw the RED guys saying they throw away something like 70% of their monstro sensors.

    FF is hard. And it’s expensive.

    Until that can change I don’t think we’ll see a FF camera from them.

    JB

    And it’s possible to get longer focal length with lighter lenses on a smaller sensor, which can be beneficial. Besides, emulating FF feel and look is not that hard with a s35 sensor and the right lens.

    8k+ in pocket format with a versatile lens mount is a more intriguing IMO. Just finished shooting 2day shot with a couple of URSA’s and pocket… I spend more time running around with the pocket while the URSAs stood on their tripods… Not saying you can’t shoot handheld with the G2, but you know what I mean.

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    Oyvind Fiksdal
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    As a new member of this promising forum. I thank thee for the interesting Free LUTS

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